A Dubbo man says he pursued a sexual, online relationship with what he believed was a 13-year-old girl because she needed a "father figure".
Shane Thomas Glynn, 48, wascaught last year talking to members of the NSW Police Force's Child Exploitation Internet Unit, who were posing as a 13-year-old girl aiming to catch predators on the internet.
Earlier this year Glynn - the former manager of the BCF store in Dubbo - pleaded guilty to one count of using a carriage service to procure a person under the age of 16 for sexual activity, and one count of using a carriage service to attempt to engage in sexual activity with a person under 16.
Both offences carry a maximum term of 15 years imprisonment.
In an agreed statement of facts tendered in the Dubbo District court, detailed conversations, which went on between the father of two and the child for over 15 weeks, were revealed.
In February 2020, Glynn was on a free social networking site ChatIW when he began a conversation with undercover police using the name CEIU41.
During the conversation, Glynn was told he was talking to a 13-year-old girl.
When exchanging details about connecting on video messaging service Skype, he asked if the girl would tell her mum "that I have your Skype".
CEIU41 said the details would be kept private unless Glynn wanted her to tell her, before he said "I don't think that would be a good idea".
Their conversations moved to Skype, where Glynn used the ID 'shaneg541' to repeatedly engage in conversations with CEIU41 until June 2020.
Glynn first asked the girl if she was "a bikini sort of girl", and if she was home alone.
On February 24, 2020, Glynn sent "I'm not sure it's a good idea to send you a pic of myself because I'm too old for you, I'll get myself into trouble".
"Your a minor ... cause your not 16 ... I could be labelled as a petofile [sic]," he told CEIU41 before she asked what a paedophile was.
"Someone who takes sexual advantage of minors," he told her.
On March 3, Glynn asked asked CEIU41 if she had ever performed oral sex on a male, and told her it was "like sucking a lolly pop, or an icy pole".
He later told CEIU41 he wished he was a 15-year-old so he would be closer to her age, before sending a photo of his face. CEIU41 sent a non-explicit photo back, which Glynn told her "you are very pretty".
On April 8, Glynn told CEIU41 he could go to jail if he engaged in sexual conversation with her, but encouraged her "he couldn't stop her doing what ever" she wanted, he just couldn't engage.
"I think you are wonderful cause you seem so grown up for your age," Glynn told the girl.
"Do me a video dance."
He later asked CEIU41 what time her mum got home, and if she went through her photos on her phone. He also sent an offline message asking if she deleted these chats.
On April 14, Glynn asked the girl if she wanted to watch him get changed and said "it wouldn't be fair for you to see me and not able to see you", before he told CEIU41 he was going to have a shower and would "think of you when I'm having my shower".
A few days later he told CEIU41 he had an erection in the shower while thinking about her and encouraged her to masturbate.
CEIU41 said she didn't know what that was, when Glynn told her "you can do it on yourself".
"Have you put something in there ... finger, carrot banana, something like that," he asked her.
"It's all about exploring ... I can't tell you, you should or shouldn't it's up to you."
Later on Glynn then sent a recorded video showing two fingers simulating a back-and-forth motion on a piece of paper, demonstrating how to masturbate, and the next day encouraged CEIU41 to practice.
On April 22, CEIU41 sent a photo of her belly button ring, when Glynn sent back a photo of his erect penis over the top of his boxers, which he deleted a short time later.
On May 13, Glynn told CEIU41 he was deciding whether to keep working or "go and be naughty ... go an play with myself", asking her if she wanted to watch.
Glynn turned on his video camera and focused on his shoes.
CEIU41 said "all I can see is shoes" before saying "I thought u were gonna show me ur thing [sic]".
According to court documents, Glynn then moved the camera toward his erect penis and could be seen masturbating, which CEIU41 said "wow" and "it looks big".
Glynn was arrested by police at the BCF store on Whylandra Street in Dubbo on July 9, 2020.
In an interview with police Glynn initially claimed he thought he was speaking to someone in their 60s, but later acknowledged CEIU41 had disclosed they were 13-years-old.
He told officers the girl "sounded like she needed a friend ... or a father figure".
He said he had instructed her to masturbate because he was "trying to help her ... with life" and "trying to help her self, discover herself".
He told police he was "not proud of this" and claimed he wanted to see the photos to "reassure her that she was a ... lovely girl".
He remains out on bail, the case will return to the Dubbo District Court in September.