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Failed bullying programs sees kids turn to knives

20 Feb, 2010 03:00 AM
Government anti-bullying policies aren’t working, leading to more children carrying knives and weapons for protection in the playground, a Charles Sturt University academic has claimed.

Dr Diane Solomon Westerhuis, a lecturer in justice studies, said while suspensions for violence in NSW schools had gradually increased in recent years, bullying was getting worse and young people were looking for ways to defend themselves.

“It is becoming more common for kids to carry weapons and it could be related to bullying issues,” Dr Westerhuis said.

“There are bullying programs in place to support kids and so they can report it ... but I’m not sure how successful they are.”

Dr Westerhuis said some children could be carrying knives to appear “macho”, but it was more likely they were seeking weapons for protection.

“I don’t think they ever intend to use them, but because they’re so young they don’t think of the long-term consequences if they pull out a knife and stab someone,” she said.

The issue of violence in schools was brought to national attention this week with the death of 12-year-old student Elliot Fletcher at Brisbane’s St Patrick’s College on Monday.

He died after being stabbed by a 13-year-old fellow pupil who has been charged with his murder.

Also this week at a Sydney school, a 14-year-old boy allegedly threatened three other students with a kitchen knife he’d brought from home, according to police.

Concerns over bullying have also been at the fore in the ongoing debate over the future of Dubbo College.

A NSW Department of Education spokesman was

dismissive of Dr Westerhuis’s opinion.

And despite the opinion of some parents, bringing metal detectors into schools is not the solution, according to Dr Westerhuis who says it’s “a terrible way to go”.

“That’s a real concern of mine because it will make kids feel more insecure and exacerbate the situation.”

The spokesman said it was all “just speculation”, and NSW public schools were among the safest places in the community with “robust” systems in place to provide the best possible protection to students.

“(These events) do not necessarily confirm an escalation in carrying weapons at school (and) they do not indicate that students are feeling less secure in their school playgrounds and classrooms,” he said.

“All NSW public schools have explicit policies about bullying and any form of violence is not tolerated and dealt with under a discipline code developed in consultation with the school and community.”

In 2008, there were 6500 suspensions for violence and almost 400 suspensions for students carrying a knife, firearm or weapon in NSW schools.

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I work for a government agency that cant control the bullies in its own ranks even though it has strict guidelines to prevent such things, In fact I am about to be medically retired because the department I work for cant control the bully and it is easier to get rid of me then get rid of the well connected bully, if a government agency and the adults in it cant even adhere to its own guidelines to control bullying then what chance do we have to tell kids that it is not acceptable and expect them to adhere to it. I am now taking the department to court for what they did to me and unless the courts get tougher on this sort of thing I guess the kids feel they have to take matters into their own hands, imagine waking up in the morning about to go to school thinking I wonder how bad my flogging is going to be today at school poor little buggers.....
Posted by Scott, 20/02/2010 7:12:33 AM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
There is empirical evidence that tells us children cannot be reasoned with - their minds are not developed enough until their early 20's - therefore all of these programs are useless. Children, like adults, respond to strong consequences for their misbehaviour. Until society and our government realises this, bullying will be rife in our schools a workplaces.
Posted by Barnesy, 20/02/2010 9:47:45 AM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
Bullies turn into pup brawlers, spouse bashers, & sometimes murderers. They are people who enjoy hurting others. Maybe we need to have separate schools for them, far, far away, where they are free to express themselves against each other.
Posted by Bev,, 20/02/2010 10:43:27 AM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
The only reason we have bullies in schools is childeren are encouraged to be soft, therefore giving the would be bullies more scope. Its time to toughen our childeren up and teach them to stand up for themselves. Adults are a different story, they make a choice. If an adult is bullied its because they choose to be.
Posted by taxpayer, 20/02/2010 11:04:18 AM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
Well said Scott. I'd just like to see some of these bullies face the vicitims and gain some insight into the impact their behaviour has on the victims.
Posted by mary, 20/02/2010 11:42:24 AM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
I believe that many of today's parents have lost touch with their children and have little idea of how to support and protect them. The things affecting our children have changed so much since we were children. Our diet has changed and it is detrimentally affecting the general and mental health of our children. Advertisers have no qualms when trying to sell their disgusting snacks and drinks to you and your children. They pay people to find ways of actively targeting your children.

Parents need to educate themselves about what is going on and how it is affecting their kids.

Posted by Parents wake up, 20/02/2010 1:03:54 PM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
Taxpayer! spoken like a true Bully, Bullying is neandathalithic and their is no place for it in society, I assume by you saying adults that are bullied choose to be, you are saying the girl in Melbourne that committed suicide that reported it only to be ignored had it coming. "A bully must have positional or personal/physical power over the person being bullied" Positional power makes it very hard to report the instance/s of bullying due to the bully being better connected, better positioned and more influential, in adults this is most common and if you had read my post I reported my situation and nothing was done did I choose to be bullied? no. so to quote you "If an adult is bullied its because they choose to be". I think not, it is more like the bullier chooses to be a bully and as I said in my first post examples need to be made of these people. And in my opinion a Bully who hides behind his/her rank or position and bullies is the biggest coward of them all.
Posted by Scott, 20/02/2010 3:16:47 PM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
I agree with taxman. Kids are soft these days. Bullys are cowards. And if they know their victim will fight back he will not pick on them. As simple as that. When ever my kids were bullied at school. I would tell them. next time the bullies pick on them, don't say a word. Just walk up and punch them in the face and dont stop until they are crying like a little girl. Which my kids did. They rarely had problems with bullies at school after taking up this tactic.
Posted by john, 20/02/2010 3:21:50 PM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
I was bullied in school - one day I fought back after being provoked. I was suspended and was set upon by the entire group outside of school. Fighting back does not always work, as in my case.
Posted by DogsonaRock, 20/02/2010 5:53:37 PM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
As a 08 school leaver I know for a fact bullying is revalent and many kids do carry weapons for their own peace of mind. it's also true that standing up for yourself usually just means the bully comes back with a few mates after school...
Posted by CarloHilton, 20/02/2010 8:36:17 PM, on Dubbo Daily Liberal
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Concerns over school bullying have reached an all-time high this week with one expert saying that scared kids are looking for ways to defend themselves with weapons like knives. FILE PHOTO
Concerns over school bullying have reached an all-time high this week with one expert saying that scared kids are looking for ways to defend themselves with weapons like knives. FILE PHOTO

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